tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post6161450036460092198..comments2023-05-12T05:16:24.072-04:00Comments on Matthue Roth, author of My First Kafka, Never Mind the Goldbergs, and a bunch of other books: How to Hate the Gaysmatthuehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14091862925316117002noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-35871430202899237972009-08-23T09:05:56.715-04:002009-08-23T09:05:56.715-04:00Very, very true. For all we know, it was an act of...Very, very true. For all we know, it was an act of terrorism, or just some jilted ex-bartender at the club.<br /><br />I was thinking less about the actual murderer, and more about the woman who said this to me. But it's an important thing to keep in mind: that the reason actual for these murders might have nothing at all to do with what we think it is.matthuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091862925316117002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-34927659658076784642009-08-23T03:01:28.412-04:002009-08-23T03:01:28.412-04:00...or, at least, fundamentalists like the Tel Aviv...<i>...or, at least, fundamentalists like the Tel Aviv gay club murderer</i><br /><br />What makes you think that the murderer was anything of the sort? Or that the murder had anything to do with religion? That is <i>not</i> an obvious assumption, and without evidence it's just a smear against religious people, and an excuse to make political hay out of the incident. Unless and until the murderer is caught, we cannot know why he did it, and shouldn't speculate.Milhousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14350874508580081286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-42011693868027422762009-08-11T16:13:12.796-04:002009-08-11T16:13:12.796-04:00Wow, this rocks! I totally agree with your point o...Wow, this rocks! I totally agree with your point of view matthue!Marjolein Readshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07158532213667200766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-32214263047467673312009-08-11T00:11:12.418-04:002009-08-11T00:11:12.418-04:00as usual, you totally kick ass my friend :-)
see ...as usual, you totally kick ass my friend :-)<br /><br />see ya sunday.PunkTorahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12084412576927930233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-32730582911533001332009-08-04T09:45:29.298-04:002009-08-04T09:45:29.298-04:00Ronit: totally true -- re. assumptions on everyone...Ronit: totally true -- re. assumptions on everyone's POV! I've seen a lot of follow-up comments in the queer community about how Orthodox Jews are scummy/dirty/evil because of this. G*d put us on the planet for a reason, and I don't know what it is exactly, but I'm pretty sure it's not to point out how crappy other parts of G*d's creation are.matthuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091862925316117002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-66353334176738068582009-08-04T02:54:08.129-04:002009-08-04T02:54:08.129-04:00Good post. I've spent a lot of time thinking ...Good post. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this lately, and you managed to crystalize what I've been doing circles around. Thanks for sharing.Miriam Tziporahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09489623689811845550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-91803420607928741892009-08-03T20:48:01.698-04:002009-08-03T20:48:01.698-04:00amazing!amazing!elishevahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10260194284154473900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-17551244925579872582009-08-03T20:23:06.336-04:002009-08-03T20:23:06.336-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.elishevahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10260194284154473900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-78801734540310098632009-08-03T17:45:50.312-04:002009-08-03T17:45:50.312-04:00I completely agree that "G-d made everyone th...I completely agree that "G-d made everyone the way they are for a reason, and it's not up to any of us to try and decide what that reason is -- it's between them and G-d."<br />As for not knowing what G-d thinks about gay people - well, as an Orthodox Jew who believes we received the Torah from G-d at Sinai, I think it's pretty clear that G-d does not approve of homosexual relations. That said, I think that all people are worthy of love and respect as long as they don't abuse it - regardless of what they do in the privacy of their bedrooms. As I said, it's not my place to judge.<br />Incidentally, it's the 'obvious assumption' that the perpetrator was some "fundamentalist" as you and many others have said...but you know what they say about those who assume... Just my $0.02!Ronithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03646700131830047414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-13957866758864290962009-08-03T16:38:15.821-04:002009-08-03T16:38:15.821-04:00This is all really poignant, Matthue. By the way,...This is all really poignant, Matthue. By the way, I've always thought that in this passage Abraham embodies the best response for a righteous person: He doesn't encourage destruction; he doesn't rationalize it, and sigh, "Well, G-d knows best"; and he doesn't simply ask the question, "Will not the Judge of all the Earth do right?" Instead, even though he's probably completely freaked out to do so, he argues SIX TIMES in favor of preserving the cities. In contrast to Jonah, ironically named, "Dove," whom G-d scolds for wishing to see Ninevah go up in flames.Chaim Bertmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14799424140812557498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-13566392699482078252009-08-03T16:23:18.397-04:002009-08-03T16:23:18.397-04:00Matthue, you are…<a href="http://twitpic.com/cnrmp" rel="nofollow">Matthue, you are…</a>Religion and State in Israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13141206067212168431noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-52480915915958159682009-08-03T15:16:26.730-04:002009-08-03T15:16:26.730-04:00"The Bible doesn't say 'Abraham destr...<i>"The Bible doesn't say 'Abraham destroyed the city of Sodom,' it says that God did.</i><br /><br />Powerful. Now if only everyone would realize that and take it to heart.<br /><br />MarkMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05760733574758883958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-55032285888219166512009-08-03T14:57:28.477-04:002009-08-03T14:57:28.477-04:00And, Frum -- thanks! I'm all tingly. In a non-...And, Frum -- thanks! I'm all tingly. In a non-gay kind of way.matthuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091862925316117002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-59900854726287985912009-08-03T14:56:59.577-04:002009-08-03T14:56:59.577-04:00Anon, I didn't think that the experience was a...Anon, I didn't think that the experience was about "letting her off" or not. This is a woman who didn't have to listen to me, and had no reason to.<br /><br />As far as not hugging people who she thinks "have it comin'," I know it's not a notion we're comfortable with, but there is a notion of hating the sin and loving the sinner. I didn't accurately learn this until junior year in high school, when the girl I was crushing on (and who, I think, was crushing on me) told me, in the middle of a hug, "I'm gonna be so sad when you go to hell."matthuehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091862925316117002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-56116135546660822192009-08-03T14:44:08.282-04:002009-08-03T14:44:08.282-04:00I love this post and I love old black ladies from ...I love this post and I love old black ladies from church and I love gay people and I love you in a non-gay type of wayFrumSatire2https://www.blogger.com/profile/14597005101618293631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-32903860618605420162009-08-03T13:22:50.464-04:002009-08-03T13:22:50.464-04:00If she thinks "those people have it comin'...If she thinks "those people have it comin'," I don't agree she'd be hugging them. I think you let her off easy, on the street and in your post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5123673175206096526.post-80262508773130707602009-08-03T13:06:02.387-04:002009-08-03T13:06:02.387-04:00matthue - you rock.
-Juliematthue - you rock.<br />-JulieJulie Tontihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14123059300466049252noreply@blogger.com